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Post by dinuriel on Nov 28, 2010 20:32:58 GMT -5
So... I finally started a babble thread! Yay! Unfortunately, I don't really have anything significant to say right now. Just procrastinating, I suppose Although, maybe my random little spurts of nothing might interest a few people? About a certain Naroni citizen's housing situation... One of the main reasons I finally decided to make Falidor leave Ailede? I fucking hate shooting on their lot. All the rooms on the upper levels are tiny and since the ground isn't leveled properly, my angles are extremely limited on the first floor. So, my solution? YE OLDE SEPARATION. But it's about time he kicked her to the curb anyway Aaaaand about test babies... I made some Lorn/Leara test babies today. I also made Ietrin/Jeda test babies (and, just for good measure, some Ietrin/Ellona test babies as well). However, I did not make any Sparron/Camaline test babies, nor do I ever intend to do so. I'll allow you to speculate as to why Unfortunately, I have no pictures, because I'm a scatterbrained mess and it never occurred to me to take pictures until I'd left the game
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Post by sb on Nov 28, 2010 22:04:11 GMT -5
I completely adore your spoiler explanation about the housing situation! Laughing out loud and yeah I've done it too and will do it again!
Won't comment on the test babies issue except I'm really curious to see some of them and definitely speculating on why there won't be some....
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Post by dinuriel on Nov 28, 2010 22:16:32 GMT -5
Heheh... good to know I'm not alone on that one. Yeah, I'd do it again too if I have to As to what the test babies looked like, Jeda's features seem to trump Ietrin's and Lorn's trump Leara's. I wouldn't call any of the resulting Sims conventionally gorgeous, but I can't imagine there'll be any major fug concerns.
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Post by dinuriel on Dec 3, 2010 13:17:04 GMT -5
Sorry about the lack of Ashelia last night The good news is, though, that today is my last day of classes for the semester. After that, minus study time for my two finals, I should be able to post most days until I head back home on the 15th.
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Post by dinuriel on Dec 3, 2010 19:11:13 GMT -5
Do you ever have that feeling where you really don't want to work on something, but you know you have to finish it before you can start on something you're really, really looking forward to doing? Well, that's pretty much how I'm feeling about Ashelia at Dusk right now. So far the whole thing has been pretty half-assed, and it shows. The whole story mainly serves as a dull-yet-necessary bridge between Ashelia at War and the upcoming third installment (for which I am SO PUMPED), and frankly I'm having a lot of trouble bringing myself to work on it right now, even though I know that the sooner it gets done, the sooner I can start on the next part. So... maybe I'll post another Naroni tonight instead and try to tackle the next Ashelia tomorrow. I hate putting it off like this, but I'm just not feeling it right now
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Post by thelunarfox on Dec 3, 2010 23:35:35 GMT -5
Oh dear, yes, I've had that feeling. I say that's a good compromise though. Just putting it off until tomorrow. It sounds like you just don't have the energy right now to work on it, and in that case I say doing it tomorrow is the best course of action.
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Post by celebkiriedhel on Dec 4, 2010 2:19:56 GMT -5
Don't do tomorrow what you can put off indefinitely!
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Post by dinuriel on Dec 4, 2010 2:52:01 GMT -5
Fair enough
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Post by dinuriel on Dec 10, 2010 1:16:15 GMT -5
Okay, so while clicking links on Wikipedia as we all tend to do every so often, I found this: The Byronic Hero...holy shit. That's pretty much every male character I've ever written
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Post by thelunarfox on Dec 10, 2010 1:29:08 GMT -5
Uhm, at first I thought that said "bionic" hero. Oops! And then it occurs to me that it does sound very familiar... but they're fun characters to read about.
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Post by dinuriel on Dec 10, 2010 2:32:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I think most of my characters fit at least a couple of those criteria. Oh well--at least they're distinguishable enough, I suppose.
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Post by celebkiriedhel on Dec 10, 2010 4:30:13 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with having Byronic heroes. Hell - my favourite 'Angel' is Byronic. And you ARE writing about the time when those sort of heroes were more common.
As long as you they each have their distinctness, I don't see anything bad by it at all. It would be a bit different if none of them were flawed - then it would be tedious. But the whole point of Byronic Heroes, is that they are less than perfect, and therefore fascinating.
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Post by dinuriel on Dec 10, 2010 17:44:33 GMT -5
Thanks, all. It's good to know that my characters are diverse enough, even if they do fall into the same broad umbrella category
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Post by dinuriel on Dec 10, 2010 17:57:18 GMT -5
On a completely different note...
Has anyone ever noticed this trend? It seems that with pretty much any given heterosexual couple in fiction--at least, the ones the author seems to want the readers to root for--no matter how much the girl loves the guy, he always seems to love her just a little bit more.
I noticed this in my own stuff some time ago, but then when I thought about it, I found it very hard to think of a good counterexample from anywhere--where the girl seems to love the guy more than he loves her, but they're still happy together and the readers want them to stay that way. I wonder why this is? Is it a societal thing, perhaps--like, a man who loves his woman more than she loves him is a dream lover, but a woman who loves her man more than he loves her is being emotionally neglected? Can anyone think of a good counterexample, in any sort of fictional work ever?
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Post by drew on Dec 10, 2010 22:22:36 GMT -5
On a completely different note... Has anyone ever noticed this trend? It seems that with pretty much any given heterosexual couple in fiction--at least, the ones the author seems to want the readers to root for--no matter how much the girl loves the guy, he always seems to love her just a little bit more. I noticed this in my own stuff some time ago, but then when I thought about it, I found it very hard to think of a good counterexample from anywhere--where the girl seems to love the guy more than he loves her, but they're still happy together and the readers want them to stay that way. I wonder why this is? Is it a societal thing, perhaps--like, a man who loves his woman more than she loves him is a dream lover, but a woman who loves her man more than he loves her is being emotionally neglected? Can anyone think of a good counterexample, in any sort of fictional work ever? Van, I can say in my reading the past couple of years which has been almost exclusively romance, this seems to be the trend, the male loves more deeply, more passionately, more obsessively than the female. And these books are written by females! So yeah, maybe the dream lover thing comes into it. Even the classics like Wuthering Heights and Jane Eyre, it is the man who loves to the point of torment. Wow, I can't think of any examples off the top of my head where the woman loves more, except Scarlett O'Hara, she was WAY obsessive over that prig Ashley in Gone With the Wind, But in that, one could argue Rhett Butler was obsessed with Scarlett. The only other thing that pops in my fevered mind is Princess Leia was way gone on Han Solo. Oh, right, that is a movie... ;D
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Post by dinuriel on Dec 11, 2010 9:54:18 GMT -5
Yeah, Han and Leia always struck me as being on fairly even footing in regards to the who-loves-whom-more question. I've never heard of Atlas Shrugged before; I'll be sure to look it up later today, after my exam. But yeah, thinking of counterexamples is tough! Most of the time when you get that in any sort of fictional medium--a relationship where the woman seems more invested--the guy is painted as a jerk and gets dumped by the end. It seems most of the guys love a bit more passionately in my stuff too, at least with my major couples. Mercutio was always dead-gone on Juliette, and I think at the end of the day, Aurius loves Maru more than Maru loves Aurius. And no matter how much Alina loved Severin, he always seemed to love her just that much more. Maybe I can try something different with Aurora and Mr. Scorpio, place them on more even footing--err, whenever they decide to stop hating each other
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Post by sb on Dec 11, 2010 10:19:19 GMT -5
I can't think of a single instance where the woman loves the man more and it's considered ok. Either he's a jerk who gets dumped or she's pathetic and obsessive. It would be interesting to try though, and I think I'll pay close attention to what I'm writing and see if I can do it. Probably not!
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Post by drew on Dec 11, 2010 13:14:31 GMT -5
Ooo Illanydra, good example , Mr. Darcy. Maybe seeing a man so tied in knots over a woman is more interesting dramatically. And yeah Van, Leia and Han were probably more equal. He hid it better.
I have done it too in my sim stories, Liam obsessed over Maggie for decades, Lorcan certainly loved Julie more, though now that may be more equal as time goes forward. If men love more they are seen as tortured, romantic, if a woman does, she can be seen as a clingy and needy. Hardly seems fair~
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Post by dinuriel on Dec 11, 2010 15:39:23 GMT -5
No worries--I did pose the question as a discussion Everyone's bringing up some good points. Maybe it's partially a symptom of today's society as well? As women, we're told not to settle for anything less than the best, but no one tells that to the men--not saying that anyone should have to settle, of course, but it doesn't seem fair that half the population is getting a different message. It's like a man who loves more than he is loved is fulfilling his main purpose in life, but a woman in the same position is wasting her time and should be looking for someone who can love her just as much or more. But yeah, there are tons of double standards in terms of gender expectations. Society doesn't seem to perceive a "middle ground" with female promiscuity, for example--a lot of people seem to think that unmarried women must be either virgins or sluts, when the truth is that the vast majority of us are neither. Does anyone really think that way about unmarried men? Not at all :S
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Post by celebkiriedhel on Dec 11, 2010 17:19:56 GMT -5
I can only think of one where I'd' say the woman loved the man more, and it wasn't seen as needy. That would be "Persuasion" - Jane Austen.
I suppose it depends on your definition of love, really. Even Jane Austen - Pride & Prejudice, Northanger Abbey, Emma - all have the man more intent than the woman. Or at least, loving longer.
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